The Corona Protocol: A Mind and Body Approach with Dr. Paul Corona

with Dr. Paul Corona

Apr 4, 2025 · 00:32:37

This week's guest is Dr. Paul D. Corona, MD, a Southern California-based physician who is reshaping the future of psychiatry and family medicine. With over 30 years of medical experience, Dr. Corona is not your typical physician. Starting his career in family medicine, he seamlessly transitioned into psychiatry, ultimately pioneering approach he calls mind and body healing. He's authored 3 books in his mind and body healing series, and in his latest book, The Corona Protocol, he unlocks revolutionary insights into the treatment of mental health, challenging conventional methods that have been taught for decades. Are you tired of one-size-fits-all mental health solutions? Dr. Corona offers an unconventional yet tried-and-true approach to psychiatry, which includes off-label use of medications, combined treatment methods, and aggressive strategies that get results. Above all, he believes that mental health treatment is not about quick fixes, but a carefully calibrated balance that leads to holistic healing. Welcome to The Total Entrepreneur, Mind, Body, Spirit, where we turn cutting-edge science into practical strategies for entrepreneurs. I'm your host, Dr. John Torrance, entrepreneur, Inc. 5000 honoree, and professor of entrepreneurial practice at Syracuse University's Whitman School of Management. Each episode, we dive into mental, physical, and spiritual health with expert guests offering actionable insights to help you thrive and perform at your highest level. Let's get started. Dr. Corona, welcome to the podcast. It's great to have you.

Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

Yeah, of course. So, Dr. Corona, tell me about how you chose psychiatry as a career path.

Yeah, so back in medical school days, you know, we, when we go to medical school, we don't necessarily know exactly what we want to do. But by about the 3rd to 4th year, we have to start making decisions because then we have to make a decision about going to a residency training program. So I didn't, I was really interested in all the aspects of medicine except surgery. I liked pediatrics, OB-GYN. I liked psychiatry, but I didn't really know if I wanted to do anything full-time. So I chose family practice because I thought I'd get a little bit of everything. It would make practice interesting. Then I did a 3-year residency training program in Los Angeles after leaving New York where I went to med school. in family practice. And, you know, during that time, during those years, I'll never forget one of my attending physicians said to me, Paul, you know, half of what you're going to see in your practice is stress, people coming in because they're stressed out. So I really started to really focus and notice that. And then when I started my practice in 1992, and during the '90s, I really got like really more and more interested in mental health. It was just fascinating to me. New medications started coming out that were really fascinating. And then, I started seeing this link between the physical and the emotional, especially with a new medication came out called Effexor, which works on— people know about SSRIs like Zoloft and Lexapro, but Effexor was the first SNRI that worked on norepinephrine. And, what I started seeing in my patients was that their pain was going away, their fibromyalgia, their irritable bowel syndrome, their headaches, all these things started happening that were really strange. And, I wondering like, what is this? There's got to be some connection going on here. So, during the '90s, I did so much of this stuff. I got a reputation. I got a bunch of referrals. And then, I was so busy by the end of the '90s trying to do everything that I just had to make a decision about my future. And, I decided that I wanted to go in— I call mind-body medicine. I wanted to go into that because it was much more interesting to me than primary care practice. And, I was seeing that I was making a really big difference in people's lives. And, What was fascinating to me was that I didn't see other doctors picking up on it. I was reading journals, I was looking at textbooks, I was going to lectures, and I was trying to figure out why other doctors weren't talking about this. And I know now later on that it was because my unique— there's a very unique story being a family doctor and going into mental health full-time. And I think understanding the physical aspect, whereas psychiatrists don't really study the body, they really study the brain, but they don't really— understand the connection there. And then the same with primary care, we understand the body but not the brain so much. And so that's what kind of led me into this field starting around 2000 or a little bit after when I split away and I decided to take my practice in a different direction. And that's when I started writing my books.

So, well, one question that popped up as you were talking is, well, why the separation between mind and body? Like, if they're studying the brain, that's part of the body, right? And I know this is probably an old question in the field, but I'd love if you could just share your thoughts on that.

Well, because I think that people don't take this subject seriously because we can't measure this in the same way we can do other things in medicine. We can check blood tests for things, we can do scans, but in this field of medicine, there is no such test because it's a microscopic problem in the nervous system. And so we can't— so the only reason we can test it is if we have a theory, we think this medication is going to work, we try it and see, and if it works, then we were right. And if it doesn't work, we're wrong. And so it's a different way of looking at it. I think people have this notion that mental health is, you know, people think, well, get really defensive about it. Well, am I crazy? Or, you know, or is it all— I've heard this question, is this all in my head? And I said, well, kind of, yes, because that's where your brain is, in your head. And I think most people don't appreciate it because of that, because of the fact that they don't see it as a real medical problem. And unfortunately, in our society, and I hear this a lot from podcasters, bloggers, influencers, including like a Joe Rogan or some of the bigger ones, they really discount this. And they're like, well, everyone gets stressed out and everyone has this, or everyone gets depressed sometimes. So they kind of Minimize it. And I think to men in general, it's a bad message because I think men, it's like, yeah, I don't want to be a weak person. I don't want to be relying on medications. So it's a very attractive message because people don't take it seriously. I think women are more open-minded about it for sure than men are. And I think also people feel that I don't want to be numb. I don't want you to give me something that's going to make me numb and not care about things. And so there's that. But, you know, there's a lot of doctors out there, frankly, are not that great with treating this, to be frank. I mean, most primary care doctors don't do that well with it. A lot of psychiatrists, they're okay, better probably. So a lot of doctors just don't do a very good job. And with my practice and the way I've developed my techniques over many years of doing it is that I've learned really good ways of getting results without side effects. Without numbing people, without— and really the restoration of self. My goal with every person is to restore that feeling of self again. So people will tell me, I haven't felt this good in years, or this is, you know, I don't think I've ever felt this good. But it should be a natural feeling because all I'm doing is rewiring the brain in a sense and reestablishing normal connections of the chemistry that aren't there for reasons they have no control over. Yeah.

Have you noticed an increase in the incidence or prevalence of mental health disorders over the course of your career? I mean, just anecdotally from where I sit at a university, you know, it seems like students are a little more anxious, you know, maybe they're kind of thinking about mental health more than maybe I remember my generation doing. But yeah, I was curious on your thoughts on that.

I think it, yeah, I mean, well, COVID definitely made it worse. You know, the pandemic, it was really bad for mental health. But I think probably we're just, I think it's always been around. I think back in, in biblical days, there were people who struggled and probably before that. I think it's just, and then previous generations, maybe they say, oh, they didn't have it, but oh yeah, I guess they were alcoholics. So they guess, yeah, my mom was a really nervous lady her whole life. And so I think it's been around. It's just, I think we're talking about it more now. I think we're recognizing it more and frankly. Since the '90s, really, is when we started having better medications. I think before the '90s, we had more crude medications that weren't as good. So now things have really progressed over the last 20, 30 years of this field. Yeah, so I think people are talking about it more. And we live in a stressful world. And that definitely comes out for sure.

Yeah. As a practitioner yourself, I mean, you're an entrepreneur also. How do you manage stress and how do you You know, apply some of the things that you work with your clients on to your own self and your own business?

I exercise every day. I do at least 3 miles a day of walking every morning, trying to keep fit, trying to eat well, you know, learning to relax, you know. But I thankfully don't have really— I don't deal with stress a lot, you know, like my clients do. What I put my attention to is my work. I work a lot. I've been accused of being a workaholic a bit. About 2002 is when I started writing my first book because at the time, I felt that I need to get the word out about this because people aren't talking about it. I don't see any books out about this. So, maybe I need to write one. And so, I guess the entrepreneur in me was starting to write and I didn't even realize what I was going to do, how far it would take me. But I started writing my first book. After about 4 years or so, I had 800 pages. So, I decided, okay, this too much for one book. So let me split it into 2 books and I'll work on the second half. And then I worked on the second half and for the next 4 years, and then I had another 800 pages and then I did the third book. So it's all 3 of my books and they're called Healing the Mind and Body. Then the whole 1,200 pages of the books are all about the subject. And then I, after that, I took a short break and then I decided that I really want to teach. Especially, I want to teach primary care doctors like myself about how, you know, teaching my methods. So I started writing. I wrote two more books. I'm currently editing them now. And then after that, I started writing my last, my sixth book, which is the book that came out last year, which is the Corona. It's called The Corona Protocol: A Scientifically Proven Medical Solution to Stop Addiction, Bullying, Homelessness, School Shootings, and Suicide. 30 years in the making. So in this book, my recent book, I decided I wanted to write a different book. I love fiction. I've been a fiction reader my whole life. And I— and so this book is all storytelling. I tell 30 original short stories about people suffer with different conditions. I split it up into a lot of different chapters and subjects, but I focus on people and stories. And some stories are real stories of patients I've seen, and they just change the name and some details. Some of them are just totally from my imagination, like the school shooting case, like the sociopath and psychopath. So this book has really taken off. This is my most successful book so far. My next goal is to try to get into teaching somehow. I want to put together an online training program for primary care doctors. And so these 2 books are going to be kind of the basis of a course, The Corona Protocol. Prescribers course that I want to teach and kind of spread the word. You know, I want to travel. I want to get to, I want to talk to primary care groups and training programs, and I want to try to pay it forward and really get other doctors. 'Cause I can only do so much for my clients and I can see people. And I'm frustrated because I know there's so many people out there who need help, who aren't getting it. And they're frustrated. They go to their doctors who don't know how to help them. And I see it all the time here, and I know it's happening everywhere, and that bothers me a lot.

Hmm. How does a client come to you? Like when you, when you get a new referral, is it, is it a pretty standard pathway or is, or is it all over the place? Or if there is such a thing, what does a, a normal patient or client present to you as?

A lot of referrals from other patients, a lot of referrals from psychologists I work with, a lot of referrals from other doctors, cuz I'm well known in my area. specializing in this. It's mostly referral-based. You know, some people see me on the internet or they find my website or they see one of my, you know, they see a blog I did or they, you know, or that they found out about my TV show I'm doing now. So, they see the TV show, they see it on my YouTube or my Roku.

Yeah.

Different ways.

Actually, yeah, tell us a little bit about the TV show. I thought that was kind of cool. I was looking at it. I was checking it out on your website earlier.

Yeah. So, last year is interesting because my new book, You know, kind of has sold a lot of copies and it got into the hands of a TV network who really liked it. And they called me and I set up a Zoom call with this woman who owns the network. And she told me, hey, would you be interested in doing a reality show about you and your practice and what you do? And I thought, sure, I'd love to do that. And so now we're in our 3rd season. We've released, I think, 36 episodes already of the show. And so it's gonna, it can be found over 7 million views on Roku so far worldwide. So we're on Roku, Amazon Fire, the Fire Stick. So it's the Dr. Paul Show. So it's the Dr. Paul Show. If your audience wants to find me on YouTube, we've had over 10,000 views on YouTube, but the YouTube channel is more new. But it's, if you have to put the Dr. Paul Show all stuck together, like one long lowercase word, no spacing. Sure. So, it has to be T-H-E-D-R-P-A-U-L-S-H-O-W. So, just like that and that pops. You put that in and then out comes my YouTube channel. So, yeah. So, that's been really— it's been a lot of work, but it's— I closed down the office on Friday afternoons when we film and we do it here. And, I have most of the people coming in the office interviewing them, getting their backstory. So, I only pick really interesting patients. A lot of it, people with addiction histories. I've also interviewed people like a psilocybin, like a magic mushroom specialist, and a ketamine specialist. I wanted the show to be about not just medication, what I do, but also other alternative type things that people can get some help with. So that's the— so the show's the end, it keeps going. We have enough material for another season, looks like, but I'm always looking for new talent for the show. That's great.

Yeah. Now, is there a specific complaint that seems to be more prevalent than others when people come see you for the first time?

Number one is anxiety disorders. It's a lot of people's stress. And the question that is, well, what's normal stress and what's stress that needs to be treated? I mean, we all have stress. I mean, I have stress here and there. Of course, we all do. It's when the stress and the anxiety takes a hold of people and really starts affecting their lives and starts to interfere with their lives. If people start having anxiety attacks, panic attacks, which are miserable to have, either they can't sleep, they're nervous frequently, they get nervous in social settings, they get, you know, so that's definitely number one. Number 2 is probably depression. Number 3 is probably bipolar disorder. Right up there is ADD. A lot of people with ADD untreated. I see so many things, PTSD, ADHD and eating disorders. Addiction is very common. I'm working a lot with addiction.

Yeah, actually one of my colleagues in my department here has done some research on the connection between— well, actually 2 colleagues. One does a lot of work on ADHD and entrepreneurship and the connection, but another one's doing a lot of research on entrepreneurship as an addiction almost. It shares a lot of similar qualities. A lot of entrepreneurs, the young ones especially, but I don't think it matters in terms of how old you are, but Yeah, anxiety is prevalent in entrepreneurship. It's a difficult activity. So I'd like to hear a little bit more about the Corona Method and how you apply that. And I'm especially interested in entrepreneurs who are naturally stressed out, how they can apply the things that you do and the things you teach to help themselves.

Well, I mean, I'm assuming they've already done the basics with exercising, which is very important.

For sure. Hopefully. Yeah.

Getting therapy when needed is, it can help too. But, you know, you know, and by the way, if your clients are not in my area to be seeing me in person, I'm in Southern California in Orange County. I do virtual visits too. And I, so I can see people all over the country and see them as clients. I have a lot of people I see out of state. My methods, basically, I've learned in my methods that it's not like that we learn in training. So the typical thing we learn in training is, okay, you have to start with an SSRI. That's always the first line, which is, which I've disagreed with for 30 years. And also the notion of, well, it takes 4 to 6 to 8 weeks to work, which is complete nonsense. That's never been true. But I usually look for like the best medication for the person. And I also work very quickly, meaning that I want people to get better quickly. It, I normally get most people completely better within a month. Usually within even 2 or 3 weeks because I move, I act quickly.

And how, how do you define that? So when you say you get 'em completely better, like what are you, like what are you seeing or what, what behaviorally, how do you know that you've accomplished that? Okay.

Completely better. We call full remission. Remission means feeling back to oneself. So when I ask people the opening visit, one of my opening questions is, tell me, go back in your life and tell me when you felt the best in your life. And some people, what do you mean? I, I mean, when did you feel the happiest, the least stressed? When did you feel— where would you like to go back to if you could? And most people will tell me one of two answers. It's either childhood, like elementary school, because life is more about playing and having fun and no worries.

Yeah.

That's if you have a functional childhood, your parents aren't abusing you. The other one would be, you know, late teens, early mid-20s. Maybe you go to college, maybe you don't. You start in career, you start, you know, maybe before marriage or kids, before life gets more complex. And so those times are the most common. Some people say other times, but that's the gauge of my treatment. And later visits, I'll ask them, okay, you told me here you're back to— you wanted to go back to there. Are you there? And they'll say, I'm about 70%, 80% there. Okay, what's missing? So I'll find out what's missing and I'll say, okay, let's do this. So I kind of craft together usually a combination of medications. It's not usually just one. It can be. But usually, I'll put things together one piece at a time. And I know what to do based on just a lot of experience doing it and knowing the odds are that this person can respond to this medication. And so, I'm looking for all the results with no side effects. No side effects are acceptable. And I'm able to figure that out just, again, just using my methods and how to combine it. And all of my methods are in my new book. So, if someone wants to get my new book, I have a bunch of cases of how I do what we call the rational polypharmacy approach, meaning that how to rationally combine medications together. And then, you have to get to the point where people say, I don't want to be on all these meds. Well, it's not all these meds. You're on, what, 2 or 3 things? That's not much. And then, I'll ask them, well, are you on supplements? Well, yeah. And then, well, how many supplements are you on? I don't know, a lot of them. Okay. When are you stopping those? Are you worried about the number? Well, no, because those are good for me. Oh, okay. I got it. So, those are good for you. But these aren't because these are pharmaceuticals. So it's just getting, breaking through these barriers people have about, you know, feeling that, you know, medications are like a weakness in their character, which is not true. And so that's basically the Chronic Protocol in a nutshell, is just quickly getting to each problem the person has and whether they have pain or they have insomnia or they have stress or depressed. Whatever they have, I address and able to tackle those and get people to themselves.

Yeah. So you mentioned earlier when I asked you the question, you asked if they were doing the first things first, like exercise, good nutrition, that sort of thing. Is that where you usually start? Or because I'm wondering, are there circumstances where you might see a patient, let's say with anxiety or something, and maybe before prescribing a medicine, have them do other things? Or Is it true that the medicine is going to be the thing that helps them get there regardless of the other behaviors?

Yeah. I mean, most of the time when people get to me, they're already at the point where they want more help. And so, but yeah, but I'll start with the basics. But some people are frankly say, I just, I don't even have the motivation to exercise. I'm just so tired all the time. I'm depressed. I'm unmotivated. And so, how do I address that? Probably some Wellbutrin boosting dopamine would probably be good for that person to kind of get them up and going. Yeah.

So the medication— so in other words, you get them started so they can get to the point where they can do those things that you know are going to be helpful and maybe even have a compounding effect with the pharmaceuticals they're on, perhaps.

Exactly right.

Yeah. Do you have an example of maybe an entrepreneur or a business person you've worked with who had a pretty good outcome or something that you're able to share even anonymously?

Well, I mean, I have so many patients. A lot of them are entrepreneurs. And because I'm in the area, I'm in Orange County, it's a very highly successful area. There's a lot of tech stuff.

Look at Laguna Niguel, right?

Right.

Yeah. Gorgeous area. I mean, you, you live in paradise there.

It's beautiful. It's pretty nice. It's pretty nice here. Yeah. I moved down here from like in 1993, same house and everything. And yeah, I'm not going anywhere. So I'm staying, right? When I hear about all these weather stuff all over the, these, these disasters everywhere, and the worst we have is occasional earthquake here and there, except for the fires in LA. That's a whole other story. But That's just incompetence there. So, but yeah, I think with entrepreneurs, they're typically a very driven group already. But some entrepreneurs do tell me that, you know, I just, I'm just not firing on all cylinders. I just, you know, I used to more, but I don't know. I'm just— so maybe they have a mood issue. Maybe they have ADD that needs to get treated. Maybe there's something else underlying that's going on that's holding them back. So like I say, I have a lot of, you know, see a lot of people with high incomes and very successful people. But even sometimes the most highly successful people just don't feel great. I mean, some of the people that are the wealthiest, like you take Hollywood and some of these movie stars, and some of these people are just— they have everything you would think you would want in life and they're still unhappy. I mean, think about Robin Williams. Why would he kill himself? He was the happy guy. He was always smiling and he was always cracking jokes. Why would he hang himself? That makes no sense. Well, it makes sense when you understand depression and you understand addiction. So when things don't make sense because someone says, well, I have— I'm successful, I have enough money, I have all the things, but there's something missing in me, that's what I try to get to, you know.

I think that's very prevalent among successful people. I mean, a lot of the successful people I know, maybe their 20-year-old selves could look at them now, they'd think, wow, you've you're there. You're where I always pictured myself being. That's where I want to be. Yet it's true that all the things don't make you happy, right? It's somehow inside. And I guess that's what you're addressing, right? Either pharmaceutically or through behavioral interventions and that sort of thing.

Yeah. What makes me happy is my patients, seeing them and getting them better. I mean, I love when I see the results and I see people's lives change for the better. And And writing has been, you know, it's been a lot more work than the money I've made from them. That's for sure. It's been a— so if any, if anyone wants to write a book, I highly advise it because I've obviously written 6 of them, you know, over like 22, 22, 23 years. But it's a huge commitment and you have to be dedicated. You got, you can't just, you have to, you know, you have to stay on it. And the writing part is fun, but the editing is exhausting. That's the part, you know, like where I'm at with my 4th and 5th books right now. It's just like, I'm so tired of reading my material over and over again, but I have to do it because I have to get this book right. So I do that when I have time in the evenings instead of watching too much TV. And I try to use my time wisely. And because I have a lot I want to do, I have a lot in the future I want to accomplish still.

So, so, you know, I wanted to ask you a little bit about your process for writing because you've been pretty prolific. I mean, I did one book and like you said, it was a lot of work. I don't know that I would do it again. And I even hired an editor to review my stuff and send me suggestions because I just didn't want to do that part of it.

Right.

So to write so much, what is your process like? How do you do it? Because I know a lot of my students or even entrepreneurs I coach, that's a goal they have in mind. But then when they actually sit down to, you know, put fingers to keyboard, they just lose it. So what is your process?

So number one is an outline. You have to just know, have a good rough outline of what you want the book to be about, kind of an outline of maybe the chapters you want to put together. And then you just have to write and you just have to— and the best thing I've found is just like make it like diarrhea. Just put everything out there, you know, diarrhea of the mouth. And, you know, I dictate, I don't type because I don't know how to type.

Right.

I have a, like a software where I voice dictate things. So I just talk and I talk and talk. And then what I do is then after That, then I'll review it and then just edit and edit and edit. And so that's it. I think it's just that. And I think just staying with it. You have to have like a, you know, you have to, you know, maybe people take breaks, but you have to plan ahead and say, okay, I'll finish this chapter this month or this couple weeks, and then I'm going to work on this chapter next. So you have to have a plan in mind. Otherwise, if you just, if you don't have a plan, it's just You, people just stop writing and they just put it aside and they don't get back to it again. And so it just takes the, just the tenacity to just keep going. And then when you get to the point, see, I'm very picky with my writing. I want it to be right. So before I hand it to the editor, which I do at the end, I want to make sure I have everything so that the editor can do their thing, you know, and it's amazing when you write how much stuff you miss, you know, even though, you know, I know how to spell things. It's just like, how did they—

Oh yeah.

How did that happen? How did that extra word get in there? And it's just like, I, I've gone through that material like 4 or 5 times already. How could I miss that? And I just—

Yeah.

But what I do is I'll, I love to read. So what I'll do is I'll write for a while. Then when I get burnt out with writing, I just put it aside and read it, read a book. Then after I read a book or two, I'll say, okay, let me, then I go back to writing. So it's not always constant writing. It's taking breaks when you need it. You know, I read a book by Stephen King called On Writing. I highly recommend the book if someone wants to write a book. Write, read Stephen King's book. It's called On Writing. And simple rule he says is write every day, read every day, write every day. He said you always wanna be reading something. You always wanna be writing something. If you wanna be a writer, you every day, it doesn't matter how much you write, just do it every day. Get some out there. Maybe you get a, a few pages in there and, and that's it.

So I guess it's just, you know, finding something that will work for you and having the discipline to stick with it.

You have to be highly disciplined to be an author for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I'm, I'm amazed at some of these prolific authors that I read about how many books that they get, they put out. I mean, it's mind-boggling.

I know. I couldn't even imagine that.

Yeah. I'm, I'm a fantasy writer. I love fantasy. And now I'm onto like, well, J.K. Rowling, everyone knows her, but I'm reading some of her modern books on adult novels. And I mean, the, the amount of material she puts out is just unbelievable.

Yeah. Do you think, uh, George R.R. Martin is gonna finish Winds of Winter?

I hope so. I've, I've read up all, I've read until, but I've, I've read some fantasy. I've read all his books. But I've read some fantasy authors. I literally read 30 to 40 books of certain authors.

Wow.

Read like everything on certain fantasy authors that—

yeah.

So, but, and then every time they come up with a new one, I read it.

So if there's a, say, a, you know, a younger entrepreneur, maybe an undergraduate or graduate student who is thinking of pursuing some mental health assistance, what are some things they should think about? How should they prepare for their first visit? The types of questions they could ask their provider. How do we get them ready for that first encounter?

So, I have a form on my website, a new patient evaluation form. So, it's about 3 pages long of questions I ask. So, what they do is they fill it out. And then, what I do before the beginning of the visit, it takes me a few minutes to read through that material. That right there gives me a ton of a head start because I know they put down their symptoms, their family history. They put all the information down that I want. And, of course, I ask them a lot more, but I think if they look on my form online, see like the things I ask, everything, you know, what do you smoke? Do you drink? How much do you drink? You know, symptoms, history. Then what I'll do after reading it, of course it'll be incomplete. Then I pick up on it. I say, you know, you wrote this here. What do you mean by this? Or, you know, how long has this been going on? And I, and that really helps me to, you know, to stay on track is by knowing that baseline information is very helpful. And then I spend about an hour with the patient. The other thing with me is what, which is different than most doctors is really good customer service. So, what that means is I spend time with people. I don't rush them. And I—

So, it's more than the normal 7-minute visit in primary care?

Yeah. No 7-minute visits for me. At least 20-minute visits for follow-up, an hour for new patients. What I do is I call— if anyone called me with a question, I call back everyone same day without question. After the first visit on every patient, I tell them to call me a week or two later just for a quick free follow-up call just to let me know how things are going? Because once I know what the first med's doing, I'll have a really good idea whether I'm going on the right track, if I have to change things. And right there, that tells people that, you know, hey, look, I care. This is why I do it. And I think that if people, they take something, they don't like it, and they just say, I forget about it. If I call them and follow up with them, or, um, I think that just shows them that I'm around and I, that I can I'm, I'm there to, to take care of them. And I think most doctors, you don't get that kind of customer service.

And mental health coverage through most insurance companies, is that, has that been pretty easy for patients to get or is it difficult?

It's, you know, mental health is physical health. So we, we code things with diagnostics and, you know, it's all still under medical. So yeah, I've never seen any problem with insurance at all covering visits and medications. And, you know, because like I said, it's not mental or physical, it's both. It's a physical and mental problem, really. Yeah.

No, that's great. If people are interested in learning more about you and your work and what you do, where could they find you? You know, between your books, your TV show, your website, all that kind of stuff.

So I mentioned before the TV show, where to find that. My, my website is www.drpaulcorona.com, so drpaulcorona.com, my website. Now on my website, there's a lot of stuff, my background, my testimonials, the new patient form, all the, everything's on my website. There's blogs. There's a bunch of stuff there. My books, basically my first 3 books, Healing the Mind and Body, are available on Amazon. My newest book, The Corona Protocol, is, I just put it on audiobook. So now it's available on Audible to find my audiobook. And then I have a hardcover, softcover, and ebook on Amazon, Barnes Noble, and Walmart. So if they want to get my books, and like I said, if they want a consultation, they talk to Leslie and she can set up an appointment and we can do over the phone or virtual and do it just a consultation that way.

That's great. Well, Dr. Corona, thank you so much for your time and sharing your expertise and wisdom. We really appreciate it.

Well, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it. I could talk about this subject all day.

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